Paying first bill in advance?!

They may pay the same but if you have more money then it’s not an issue is it? I pay set price direct debit each month which is cheaper than anywhere else we looked for, what’s annoying is my account is in credit by more than what they took on the first payment :joy: I know why they do that, but it’s a pain!


Injustice no 1: Rich - 2% of total income goes on electricity. Poor - 20% of total income goes on electricity. (Figures my own just to illustrate point). The “Eat or Heat” dilemma.

Injustice no 2: No savings to provide overdraft buffer at time of switching and getting 2 bills in 1 month. Overdraft has interest applied to it. Charging interest used to be called ‘usury’ and is historically described as one of the major violations against the poor and natural justice.

Under over whelming odds like these I capitulate, please do not blindfold me and stand me against the wall

Whilst I’m generally a hippy lefty, I’m not sure I agree with your argument for what is essentially a progressive energy cost where more wealthy people pay more. I’d agree with progressive taxation, particularly so things like scrapping the regressive VAT and instead adding additional tax on income and wealth.

The injustice for the poor is privatisation. Critical infrastructure like energy and public transport, should be public owned and operated on a not-for-profit basis. The privilege of heating your home should not be lining the pockets of oligarchs and a bunch of shareholders.

Lis does not have a prepayment meter, this seems to be her hobby horse

I wasn’t aware that fighting for a more just society required one to be part of those for which you are fighting.

No, Justice and equality for the poor is a nice thought, I’m all for it, but it aint going to happen anytime soon. not in our lifetime anyway.

Yes, I have moved up in the world. No pre-payment meter for me. But I remember putting ‘shillings’ in the meter when living in privately rented bedsits. Then it was 10 pence and then we rapidly moved up to £1 coins. Now it is mysterious things like ‘keys’ and ‘cards’ that I have not had the misfortune to have to deal with. Not yet anyway. But you never know, upward mobility can suddenly turn to a downward slide.

Agree totally. A very shocking thing is that maximising the profits for shareholders is a legal requirement for a company. It overrides all other concerns, such as the common good and environmental impact.

Key and cards are not mysterious they’re just another move towards a cashless society. They will become obsolete once we move onto smart meters and top up online (can)


Billed on 21st March, my D/D is £63 a month, after bill generated my recommended payment reduces to c£60 a month, I decide to leave it at £63. Log in today and my recommended has gone to £63.47!
How can Bulb change the amount when nothing has actually changed, no readings give as not required until 18th May,
I understand it can change after a bill, but not in-between, you have no extra data to analysis to recommend a change

Hi @Joanne2711 :wave:

Sorry that this has changed frequently for you, I can see how this would be annoying. The recommended direct debit is calculated from your predicted usage and past usage so this can change depending on your monthly statements. This can take a short while to update so would be why it changes after a statement has already gone through.

You can see more about how we charge for energy energy in this article.